A likable little green Cheeto? Not so much!
If you eat corn and it comes out looking like it went in, you may be hosting h.pylori.
Equally, if you have long term diarrhea, my account of the effect of Metronidazol may be of interest to you.
First of all, you may not know that diarrhea in some form is a persistent, common problem for many people with low vitamin B12. While you may be familiar with diarrhea, you may know little or nothing about h.pylori. I first heard of h.pylori when I began researching vitamin B12 and found publications like this:
Identification of the underlying cause is important in the diagnosis of vitamin 12 deficiency that is attributed to malabsorption. Helicobacter pylori (h.pylori) is one of the most common causes of peptic ulcer disease worldwide and a major cause of chronic superficial gastritis leading to atrophy of gastric glands… causal relationship between h pylori and food cobalamin malabsorption.
Food cobalamin’s absorption depends on its release from the binders in food. Malabsorption is marked by the inability to release cobalamin from food. If cobalamin cannot be released, it cannot be taken up by intrinsic factor for absorption. Release of cobalamin requires acid and pepsin. Most malabsorptive states can be traced to gastric defects.
It has been proposed that pernicious anemia may represent the final phase of a process that begins with h pylori–associated gastritis and evolves through progressive levels of atrophy until parietal cell mass is entirely lost. Helicobacter pylori–Is It a Novel Causative Agent in Vitamin [B.sub.12] Deficiency? Archives of Internal Medicine. May 2000.
Okay, back to my experience ~
I got Tetanus on August 15, 2004. (this is background) The ER diagnosed me as Paranoid because I was screaming from muscle contractions they couldn’t see: the site of the injury wasn’t swollen. The deciding factor for the ER was hospital records: several years earlier I had tried to kill myself while protesting abuse by IRS. A letter I’d written was pinned to me when I was taken unconscious from my exhaust filled car to the ER where I was revived and my “profound B12 deficiency” was discovered. Upon regaining consciousness I was taken to the psych ward where, because of protesting IRS, I was labeled Paranoid. Thus, more than a decade later the hospital referred to its records rather than my symptoms and “diagnosed” me as paranoid. Luckily they gave me some antibiotic, to humor me, as they put it.
US News & World Report used some of my IRS experience in a piece they ran ~ Read the US News piece.
It took nearly 6 months to get adequate Metronidazol to kill the clostridia bacteria. Metronidazol is the specific antibiotic recommended for tetanus, particularly if the person is allergic to penicillin as I am.
The delay and interim inadequate doses of antibiotic showed me something valuable, however.
The Erythromycin from the ER helped. After it ran out it took me days to get more. In the interim I got worse. When I got more antibiotic, I again improved, but ran out before the symptoms were totally gone. In each case the dose was about half of what is recommended for Tetanus.
Finally at the end of March, 2005, I had 17 days of 500 mg Metronidazol every 6 hours, prescribed by the doctor for the homeless, whom I was able to see because the privy pit caused my home to be foreclosed — I was able to get my home back, using bankruptcy and by selling a rental I’d had. (Now I’m once again praying for a miracle ~ to keep my home).
After the first 17 days of Metronidazol I still had symptoms, so the doctor prescribed the same again. And, that did the trick.
Full course of Metronidazol ended long-term diarrhea
After the full course of Metronidazol I no longer had the diarrhea I’d for a dozen years. (A nurse practitioner whom I saw in 2003 said that with the kind of B12 deficiency I have, I could expect to have diarrhea for the rest of my life.)
Each of the small courses of antiobiotic changed the texture of my stool (this is so gross, but it is also the only way to tell you this) however the changes didn’t last. The last course of Metronidazol not only changed the texture, the change lasted.
That means that among other things, when I eat corn now, it no longer comes out looking like corn. The most probable explanation is that I now have more stomach acid due to the antibiotic killing the h.pylori that had been attached to my stomach lining. And, I seem to be regaining some balance and not bumping into doorways as much. Living in the hydrogen sulfide from the privy pit had affected my balance, memory, soft tissue, etc. Incidentally, research verifies that “cathartic stools” shed h.pylori:
Regaining balance could be because the homeless doctor also put me on a B12 shot a day for about two months because after the metonidazol/tetanus I had a lot of trouble with my feet going numb and feeling like they weren’t touching the floor, which made taking a step feel as if I was falling. The B12 helped enormously, way more than I would have thought possible, even given my past excellent results from using B12.
So it could be that I’m not bumping into walls and doorways as much because the B12 is restoring my nerves… or… maybe it has to do with killing the h.pylori or something that was living in my gastro-intestinal system or attached to my stomach lining.
I asked the doctor if he thought I could have had h.pylori. He said, no, that h.pylori tended to be associated with ulcers, which he didn’t think I’d had. But, he added, there were other things rather like h.pylori that it could have been. He didn’t say what.
Here’s my point, I had three small courses of antibiotic that did not affect the h.pylori or whatever in any lasting way. It was only when I had a really major course that there was a significant change for the better. The problem is that doctors overall, at least in my experience, are not keen to prescribe antibiotics, much less large doses of them.
What if, I wonder, there was something like h.pylori causing all my neuro symptoms? And, what if my mom had it, and it was the reason she was diagnosed in later life with pernicious anemia?
I don’t know the answers, but I saw an article somewhere that said they were looking at antibiotics in relations to ALS… this experience of mine made me really start thinking about that.
Karen Kline ~ August 6, 2005
Post Script: If you have had diarrhea a long time, then you might benefit as much from taking B12 as I did. (By that I mean that the nurse practitioner appeared to view my diarrhea as a symptom of B12 deficiency.) And, for the record, methylcobalamin lozenges are just as effective as B12 shots. (I add this because I am surprised at how many people are visiting this page.) Further, eating yogurt does two very helpful things: the lactobacillus in the yogurt gets rid of h.pylori, and in doing that it raises the amount of vitamin B12 you can get from the food you eat. Read more about Yogurt Benefits.
Karen Kline ~ August 16, 2005
The Helicobacter Foundation ~ More information